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Goth Type 11: The Baby Bat by Trellia Goth Type 11: The Baby Bat by Trellia
Of course, the majority of Goths are unique in their style and music preferences. However, within the subculture there are certain "types" of Goth with particular characteristics. And it can be fun to classify them. Naturally, classifications for each "type" vary from person to person, so you may disagree with what I say here!

I've had so many requests for this one that I moved it ahead of schedule.

I could simply sticking up for the Baby Bats because I was certainly one of them in the past (and I lot of people would say I still am one). However, I could write an entire essay on why I think it's such a shame that some members of the Goth community, renowned for its open-minded, liberal and tolerant attitudes, can be given to such elitism when it comes to the Baby Bats. Surely this kind of snobbery and exclusion in "normal" society is one of the primary reasons why many Goths choose to reject mainstream values?

Rant over. Anyway, I like to think that this pair are Romantic Goth Boy [link] and Rivet Head Girl [link] when they were kids.

As with all my work, please DON'T steal this! If you want to use it for whatever purposes, email me and ask me first.
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ShadOBabe Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Hahaha!! I am in no way goth at all, but I love this collection!
They're all hilarious! I literally laughed out loud at the term, "Baby Bat" because while I'd never heard the term, I knew exactly what it was. XD

Heehee, aww they're so tiny... *pats*
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Kira-Doom Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2016
I feel sorry for Baby Bats who are shunned for not being "real goths;" they're trying, and goths are supposed to be an accepting group of people, so we shouldn't hate on Baby Bats for trying to get into the groove.
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Erica-Sakura Featured By Owner May 21, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I do think Baby Bats get too much hate. After all, they're new to the subculture; it's like being new to a town or school. You gotta observe your surroundings and figure things out before you get the hang of it. They are trying, and they should at least be respected for that.

Besides, saying they aren't goth because they don't follow the standard to a T is a bit hypocritical on the part of those goths who claim that. The subculture was created, in part, to defy the norms of society; and the requirements of the subculture, at least in modern times, is much more lenient and inclusive, applying to a wide selection of people.
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Molok13 Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2015
Oh please... You know damn well that every goth under the sun went through that phase at one point in their lives.
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NimbleFlourish Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2015
Daaaw is that a love heart pentagram? That's so cute!
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WickidlyStrange13 Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Babybats are like goth kids.
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Jeannemarie13 Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2015  Student General Artist
I think that many goths used to be babybats.
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nerdy-for-books Featured By Owner May 6, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm a baby bat i love goth style and goth music metal or non-metal i like everything from metal to rock to goth music wise though, also i feel the most comfortable in dark colors like black, dark purples and dark greens. though where i live the goth community is mostly me and fellow baby bats (2 others) at my school(as far as we know) there aren't a any "true" goths in the area so we only have the internet to feather educate are selves on the goth subculture. 
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frogher Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2015
Baby bat is more commonly known as the time where people get into the subculture more commonly around the teen years so you get a good mix of people who are growing into it and some people who wont stay with it and are in it to shock or rebel more of the older Goths believe it to be more so they just want to shock and rebel that leads to the harsh words and hate to that group being they aren't "real" Goths many forget what it was like for them to start out into the subculture there is no hand book that tells you how to be Goth because there really is no right or wrong there are many possibility's to go about getting into the subculture be it through music or fashion and just because you start out in one grouping doesn't mean you wont evolve and develop into another grouping this is the experimental stage of life and on top of being awkward teens you get harsh words about how you as a person are developing be it by people in the subculture you look up to or your family my family wasn't so accepting of the way I started to dress I remember countless times my mom and I got into arguments because I weir to much black and I wont weir other colors that led to me buying a pink shirt that is still in my clothes to this day worn once to make her happy. If this is you just remember that you don't need to make others happy or approval from other Goths to make you Goth just be yourself and all the pieces will fall into place. The most Goth people I know don't call themselves Goth its just who they are. 
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Gentle-Shadow Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2015  Student General Artist
I'm under the age of 18-16, so ... I guess this would be me ...

But I've been Goth for a while, so I'm not entirely sure ...
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Wow there are a lot of strong opinions on this one. Honestly, I find baby bats to be adorable. I find it adorable that there is even a term for our young goths. I don't know if I'm still a baby bat or not. I probably would be according the Lady of Manners but I am certainly more "sophisticated", if you will, than 5 years ago.
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KingOvRats Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2014   Traditional Artist
Nice collection. Although seeing the depiction on this one I'd rather think of black metal style then goth.:D
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JKborg Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Everything said about what makes a "goth person" is pure rubbish. Referring youngsters who don't know or listen to the 70's-80's musicians as "babybats" is imbecilic. These terms, "Elder-goth", "Babybat", "Mall-goth" etc, are absurd. It's, in a way, like promoting unwarranted self-importance.  
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TorrenOglethorpe Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2015
How about your unwarranted opinion on this subject is pure rubbish. While it is definitely wrong to look down your nose at a Baby Bat, it IS a thing and it isn't your narrow definition of, "person who doesn't know 70's-80's music". Hell, a good portion of us would stay baby bats forever by that logic due to our varying tastes. About Elder Goths, they deserve that title if they've lived with the scene for so long and its just a way to respect them. I can also imagine Goths who are serious about staying goth looking forward to being an "Elder" so I don't really see the problem here.
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JKborg Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
If my opinion is unwarranted, you wouldn't be replying in the first place. If there are "rules" you have to obey in something as insignificant and unimportant as an alternative trend, then your trend is rather as noteworthy as bollocks. 
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First off, how does me responding prove you are "warranted"?.

Second, where the fuck did I say there were rules? WHERE. TELL ME. I'D LIKE TO KNOW.

Third, Baby bats are just new to the scene. It doesn't mean they don't do certain things or act a certain way (although they might do research because they have a curiosity to satisfy but you get the idea).

Lastly, where are you getting this shit? I don't doubt there are some arrogant Goths out there but you can't base all of us on a few rude individuals. Oh and comparing the entire subculture of Goths to testicles without even meeting a fraction of them is very close minded. Choose your fancy ass words more nicely.
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JKborg Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I've known a fair amount of these so-called "goths" when I was in high-school. They were the most self-centered, vain, and snobbish people I've ever met. To be honest, I attempted to "blend in" with this trend when I was a teenager. I was probably just like you when I was a youngster. I was a self-important narcissist.

I don't have a problem with self-labeling; you call do that all you want, but the moment you start labeling others because of the music you don't like, or isn't part of your trend, you are rather an imbecile. Hopefully, you will grow up and realize that the whole world doesn't revolve around you, just because your not a "conformist".

This debate holds no more purpose; since everything I will say will be automatically called rubbish in your eyes; like most "goths" I've known. The only thing you're doing is helping the "goth" stereotype. 
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TorrenOglethorpe Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2015
Okay I just got one more thing to say. The reason you are rubbish to me is because you've been doing nothing but insult. Insult and assume. From the very beginning. Take it or leave it but I just needed to get that off my chest. I also wanted to leave this half decently so I'm just going to say that I admire your confidence in posting all your art. Seriously. I don't have that, despite what you think.
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TorrenOglethorpe Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2015
I made this extra short for you closed little mind.

One, high schoolers? Really? Are you fucking kidding me?
Two, we're not all like you. So quit treating us as such.
Three, you didn't answer anything I asked for and I am taking it as that you cannot.
Four, you are helping your own stereotype. Also slightly related to point #2.
Five, stop trying to steal the bell while covering your ears.
Six, when a person has good points, I listen. You, do not. Connect the dots.

Any questions about the condensed version, throw me a fancy insult and I will gladly explain. Of course, you are free to ignore me and live on in your tiny idea of what is right.
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gothb4gothwasgoth Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2014
All of this talk about what constitutes goth is nonsense. Each of us knows what goth represents to us. The whole judgement thing is contrary to the basic tenets of the goth subculture. Baby Bat - Elder Goth, Kindergoth - give me a break. These labels are ridiculous and just another form of division and rejection perpetuated by those who feel the need to elevate themselves and mock others. Be your dark self and worry not about the misguided opinions of those who pretend to be superior. Don't worry about what anyone else says ~ you know what dark tunes, dark thoughts, dark art, and dark expression resonates with your inner goth ~ embrace it, repel the naysayers and thus you shall truly be goth.
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blitzkriegfrost Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2014  Student Writer
Except for the trad goths and deathrockers who got into goth back in the 80's when it was new, literally EVERY one of us (goths that is) has gone through this phase (myself included).  

It's like puberty:  It's really awkward and it sucks, and you (the baby bat) are pretty stupid and clueless, but it's an integral step in becoming an actual goth, and once it's over, you actually understand the amazing culture which you're a part of.  I've always had an obsession with the Dark, and I live on the morbid side of life, but when I first realized that goth was my thing, I was all into being a satanist for shock value, and I was a huge Marilyn Manson fan (nowadays, my head hurts to look back at my young teenage self).  It took time, but now I've refined my tastes and actually become goth (instead of a curious poseur [albeit a curious poseur who was destined to become goth eventually]).

The best way for goths to deal with baby bats is to politely educate them as a fellow goth, rather than belittling and denouncing them.  Baby bats may not understand what they're doing, and they may give people the wrong idea about what goth is, but they're also the future of our culture, and we all were baby bats at one point.
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The-Groovy-Ghoul Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2014  Student Writer
I`m a baby bat by definition, But my music and fashion taste are far more developed than this. I prefer Bauhaus and The sisters of mercy to Metal, I just like the 80s style a lot better!
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BurlesqueGothXxX Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2014   General Artist
In my opinion i think Brian Warner(Marilyn Manson the person) is goth himself but his music is not in the goth genre at all. I believe Mr. Manson is very well said, He is very creative, and he likes dark humor. But this is just my opinion so please dont freak out at me.
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OminousandOmnipotent Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
This series is adorable.  I never referred to kiddos as baby bats ever... of course i somewhat liked Marilyn Manson's music and was a "poor" goth that could not afford the edwardian/victorian style clothing.  The little minions are not to be hated, they're cute little buggers and just as dark and dreary as any adult out there.  More power to them actually because they're probably on a higher level than their blonde, blue eyed, pink wearing, khaki-panted trollopy counterparts.  Go emo and goth children, you don that darkness and you enjoy it and don't let the old farts get you down :D
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amneriscat Featured By Owner May 12, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I have one daughter who dresses mostly in white, while the other has a penchant for black, skulls, bats, and other goodies. They both refer to he second one as a Baby Bat after hearing the term and don't think of it as derogatory, but then again they've been around Goth culture since they were born.
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OminousandOmnipotent Featured By Owner May 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Good to hear there are kiddos that don't think of it as a derogatory term.  That is a sign the scene/lifestyle is evolving :D  More power to ya for raising them right :D
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MaladiaNocturna Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2013
It is quite worldwide usual occurence that when you are little teen, adults donīt take you seriously.
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spectral-zura Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I like how this is worded, it's not condescending or insulting.
I mean, I may be 14, but I'm not really considering myself Goth for shock value or to impress anyone. It's just that I find music and clothing that is considered Goth appealing. I certainly do put up with elitists and judgmental people myself, but frankly as long as I'm buying my own clothing to reflect the type of music I like, I will consider myself Goth until the end.
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DyingMarshmallows Featured By Owner May 31, 2013
I was like this in 6th grade. Wore a shitty gray/white striped hoodie with one eye covered. Looking back now I say, Wow I looked like an idiot. I've grown quite alot since then.
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Aneirasilvermoon Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
I started out in 5th grade...ohh the shame..the hair dye..the emo wrist warmers!
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NekoBoyYum Featured By Owner May 17, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I remember getting into the scene in middle school. I remember trying to wear as much black as possible all the time, because that was all I could get away with (gotta love ultra-conservative Christian parents). I can say though that my styles and tastes have matured greatly over the years.
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mollymaddness Featured By Owner May 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
aww i was a baby bat once
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Janise-Vamp Featured By Owner May 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Ive been apart of the culture for 2 1/2, 3 years and Im in love with the batcave. Specimen, Alien Sex Fiend, Sex Gang Children etc. I know a lot about the history about the culture. Im 13 my makeup skills are okay and I wear trad- goth and lolita fashion.
Am a still a babybat because of my age ????
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BurlesqueGothXxX Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2014   General Artist
I'm also 13 and i love the batcave also! I love gothic poetry. I love the architecture. Etc...
I also love the 20s and 30s but thats a whole other story. Lets just say i was born in the wrong time.
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BeautyFrenzy Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2013  Student General Artist
I'm not sure whether I'm too old to be a baby bat, considering I'm in my mid teens and leaning towards a mix of Caberet Goth, Fairy Goth, and just plain out Punk. I tend to listen to Scandinavian heavy metal, but also many other genres of music, and I tend to lean towards the culture more than the style of dress, but the majority of my clothing is black with accents of other colors.
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Aneirasilvermoon Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Goth is about the music though, not the outfits.
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Aneirasilvermoon Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Being a babybat isn't your real age. It is what state of learning and how well acquainted you are with the Gothic culture. It would mean you are a newbie.
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pilulas Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2013
Mansonite \o/
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stormthearcticwolf Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2013
im a baby bat but i listen to the cure and my makeup skills are terrible
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RosebudofElegance Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So, I'm a baby bat because I'm 11, even though i wear Victorian goth clothes and Gothic Lolita fashion?
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Aneirasilvermoon Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Baby bat isn't about the outfit. It's about how well settled into the culture you are...and how much you know about some of the bands.
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Grenpool Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
Does it matter? goth is goth.
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TeranMingOgilthorpe Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2012
Heehee I think baby bats are cute...X3
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DarkPrincess0135 Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you for saying that we should 'repect' and not pick on baby bats. By what I wear. I would mostly be considered a babyt bat. Yes, I like Marilyn Manson, and yes, I shop a Hot Topic. I love Hot Topic. And I dont care what any says.
I like metal bands, like Black Veil Brides, and Bullet For My Valentine.
But I also like goth bands, like Forever Slave, Lacuna Coil, Elysion, Macbeth, To-Mera, Sirenia, and others.

I wear just black tee-shirts, black pants, or black shorts(normally with black and white striped stockings, or black long socks. Cause I'm a bit self-conscious about my legs, so I normally try to cover them up.) And I LOVE black gloves, and I like chains, and studded belts, and chockers.

So yes, you would mostly consider me a baby bat, BUT...

And my family doesn't have the most money in the world to buy me everything you 'baby bat haters' consider 'real goth'.
I'm still learning the proper hair and make-up methods.

So cut us baby bats a break!
You were one at one time to, SO STOP HATING!
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Aneirasilvermoon Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
The thing that makes you not Goth is that you think being Goth is about the clothes. It's seriously only about the music..clothes are optional.
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Aneirasilvermoon Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
None of the bands you listed were Goth.
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Furanku1 Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2013
Black Veil Brides is not metal, it's screamo, sometimes called screamcore/hardcore. Nobody likes a whiny baby, or whiny babybat in your case. An easy way to avoid "hate" is to act your age, if you wish to be treated like your age act it. You sound like more of an emo, you are a whiner, and you are EXTREMELY uneducated when it comes to music, or style. learn what REAL metal is, and listen to The Cure, Bauhaus, Siouxsie and the Banshees Etc. Because all you listed as goth are a bunch of dumb foreign metal bands.
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Dark-Toxic-Innocence Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Black Veil Brides isn't screamo either
they're more Shock Rock/ Hard Rock now they were Metalcore/Post Hardcore bands like Orchid
City of Caterpillar, and early Saosin is Screamo.
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TheCreativeHamburger Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Sooo...I finally found my type of goth...

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maxieskurtylennon Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2012
me to hahaha, I didn't even know it, but I'm a baby bat
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